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Saturday, April 05, 2014

Will Erdogan apologize to Turkey's Shiites?

Turkey's Erdogan 'closely following' legal case against rival cleric Sat, Dec 20 09:48 AM EST image By Ayla Jean Yackley ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday he is closely following an inquiry into a U.S.-based Islamic preacher and media outlets close to him and dismissed criticism that the case is politically motivated. Erdogan spoke a day after an Istanbul court ordered the arrest of Fethullah Gulen, whom Erdogan has accused of leading a terrorist plot to seize power and whose supporters the president has purged from the judiciary and police. The arrest warrant for Gulen, who lives in self-imposed exile in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania, could test relations with Washington and raise questions about judicial independence in Turkey. A Turkish prosecutor has accused him of leading an armed terrorist group "I am closely following the legal process," Erdogan said in a speech broadcast live by NTV channel. "Everything is working according to the law. No one is being lynched." Once close allies, the two men's relationship ruptured in December 2013 when a corruption investigation by police seen as close to the cleric's Hizmet (Service) movement implicated Erdogan and some of his family members and cabinet ministers. The president has described the corruption case as a coup plot. The graft probe has since been formally dropped. The Alliance for Shared Values, a group representing Hizmet-affiliated organizations in the United States, said in a statement the arrest warrant "is nothing more than an attempt to shift public attention away from issues such as corruption." Authorities raided media organizations close to the Hizmet movement on Dec. 14 and detained executives and other employees, prompting sharp criticism from the European Union. "So what if those detained are journalists. Don't journalists commit crimes?" Erdogan said. "Journalism is being used as a disguise." The head of Samanyolu Television, which is close to Gulen, and three other people were remanded to custody on Friday. Eight others including Ekrem Dumanli, editor-in-chief of the Zaman newspaper close to Gulen, were released pending trial. "When the president talks about the case publicly, it's an intervention in the legal process, an effort to guide the judiciary," said Dumanli, accused of belonging to an armed gang. "It's also a message to the rest of the Turkish media to re-think the way they cover him," he told Reuters. (Editing by Tom Heneghan) ========================================================= Will Erdogan apologize to Turkey's Shiites? Author: Fehim Taştekin Posted March 16, 2014 It was Turkey’s Shiite (Jaafari) community's turn to be offended by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, as he criticized the Gulen faith movement, which he holds responsible for revealing the corruption files. Talking about Gulenists on a TV program, Erdogan said,
"These people have three major characteristics. They practice taqiyya [religiously sanctioned dissimulation], they lie, they slander. As a result they are involved in sedition, malice. They are far ahead of Shiites. Shiites cannot compete with them.” Many news websites quoted Erdogan verbatim.
Summary⎙ Print Turkey’s high political tensions finally engulfed the Turkish Shiites (Jaafaris) who are furious with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan for calling Shiites “liars, slanderers and hate mongers.”Author Fehim Taştekin Posted March 16, 2014 Turkey’s Shiites, who call themselves Jaafaris as a tribute to the sixth Imam Jaafar-i Sadek, are now expecting an apology. Civil society organizations of the Jaafaris, the Caferi-Der and Jaafari Wise Men Union (CABIR), declared that the prime minister had to be equidistant from the beliefs of all citizens and had to know that insulting any faith is a crime. Main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) member of parliament Ali Ozgunduz, who represents the Jaafari community, said the prime minister had committed the crime of “provoking people to hatred and enmity” by libeling Shiites, and said, “Erdogan’s out-of-control discriminatory, racist and sectarian approach is threatening our social peace.” The protest demonstration Jaafaris had planned for Istanbul was canceled at the last minute. Caferi-Der Chairman Sinan Kilic explained why to Al-Monitor, saying, "The atmosphere at Okmeydani [Istanbul’s predominantly Alevi district] and the killing of Burakcan [Karamanoglu] showed us the intention of dragging Turkey [into] a dangerous process. In such an atmosphere, street actions can provide material to provocateurs. If a stray bullet kills one child, it will be impossible to hold back the Alevis and Jaafaris. The genie will be out of the bottle, and the country will suffer.” Journalist Mahmud Gok, also a Jaafari, told Al-Monitor, "The labeling of Jaafaris, true citizens of this land, as tricksters, slanderers and liars has inflicted serious injury. There is anger. Jaafaris have never been a community as described by the prime minister. To the contrary, Jaafaris are a faith community who sacrifice their own rights just to avoid discord. I don’t think the prime minister said that intentionally. This may well be a reflection of his prejudiced subconscious knowledge.” True, Erdogan’s accumulation of knowledge conditioned by the dictum “there are four just sects” can be damaging when it spins out of control. When Erdogan, who dismissed the Alevis — who wanted to open a cemevi (prayer house) at Istanbul’s Karacaahment district — said, “Cemevi is [a] festivity house. What permission [are they] talking about?” he was only yet the mayor of Istanbul. When the Alevis nevertheless opened that cemevi, Erdogan called it a “monstrosity.” He continues to step on more toes with his gaffes. In 2011, he referred to books about himself by saying, “To them we are Jews, Armenians and forgive me, Greeks.” In 2013, when accusing the Syrian regime of the Reyhanli bombing, he said, “Our 53 Sunni citizens were martyred.” Jaafaris, who have become more visible in recent years with the Ashura observances, have had problems with the state before, but direct confrontation with the government is a new phenomenon. It wasn’t long ago that Turkey was actually debating democratic options that would please the different faith groups in the country. Selahaddin Ozgunduz, the leader of the Jaafari community, was invited to an Alevi workshop in 2011. But since then, there has been rapid regression to discriminatory and damning policies, a tragic turn from a state that listens to one that suppresses. According to Gok, “Other groups outside the official ideologies are also denied their rights, just as Jaafaris are. They can neither easily use their mosques, nor have places where they offer religious education, or have no recognized holy days. The government simply considers them to be nonexistent.” Saga of getting organized To better understand the Jaafiri problems with the state, we have to rewind a bit. Made up of mostly Azeris living in the eastern provinces of Kars and Igdir, there are between 700,000 to 3,000,000 Jaafaris now scattered to western cities. Jaafaris, who earlier did not participate in civil society organizations other than to build and maintain mosques, made a new beginning with Caferi-Der in 2006. A local court decree closed down Caferi-Der, but the higher court overruled it with a new law on associations passed in 2004. After that episode, the number of Jaafari civil society organizations surpassed 20. Among the key problems of the Jaafaris is the status of their mosques and biased teaching in schools. Jaafaris are uncomfortable with the attitude of official, powerful Religious Affairs Department (RDA) that doesn’t recognize even all the Sunni sects but confines its interest only to Hanefis. The RDA wants Shiite mosques to come under its control. Jaafaris, however, insist that mosques and imams should be independent of state authority. In Turkey, there are about 300 Jaafari mosques and mesjids (smaller prayer halls), 70 of them in Istanbul. Now a massive complex that will include a mosque, library, auditorium, cafeteria and TV-radio studio is under construction in Istanbul’s Halkali district, where the Jaafari population is concentrated. According to Kilic, neither the local administration nor the government has contributed to its construction, which is financed by the community. Change that came with the Iranian revolution Jaafaris, like the Alevis, have always been ostracized by the state, But after the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran that was followed by the Sept. 12, 1980, coup in Turkey, the state eased the way for Sunni religious schools and began to perceive Jaafaris as a threat. But, because of ethnic ties, Jaafaris are closer to Azerbaijan and as source of emulation recognize the Najaf house in Iraq instead of Qom in Iran. Nevertheless, in the Turkish state Jaafaris were vulnerable to Iranian influence — although it was the Sunnis who were most influenced by the Iranian revolution. The RDA was determined to minimize the Iranian influence by demanding all Jaafari mosques be handed over to its custody. A delegation under Selahaddin Ozgunduz met with the then-Prime Minister Mesut Yilmaz and secured the annulment of the decision. Jaafaris thought they would be more at ease under Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AKP), but strange incidents that wiped out initial optimism took place: Jaafaris were disturbed by the detention of some people on charges of spying for Iran. Kilic thinks that these operations can be attributed to Gulenist penetration of the police, whose adversity to the Shiite community is known as well as the government’s tolerance of this adversity. Kilic said to Al-Monitor, “For the past three years, pro-government media and dubious others have been saying that we are Iranian agents. We react but nobody listens.” "Sunnification" policy The AKP government tried to control houses of worship with the slogan of “there is but one mosque,” while implying to Jaafaris and Alevis: "Either become Sunni or call yourself another religion.” Kilic said a draft bill prepared by the RDA in July 2013 again called for placing all mosques under its control. But the bill was amended in parliament and the Jaafari and Alevi prayer places did not go under the RDA. There are still efforts. The RDA makes offers to Jaafari mosque such as, "Let us attach your mosque to the department, and we will pay the salary to the imam you choose.” Kilic explained why Jaafaris did not accept this offer: "They are trying to attach our mosque to the department by exploiting the hardships experienced by Jaafari mosques. But according to our beliefs, the mosque should be independent of public authority. This enables the imams to be just. Imams cannot be taking orders from the state or institutions. Moreover, the department is sending sermons to mosques based on Hanefi beliefs. But our sermons are always of two parts. The first part is on general religious affairs, and the second is on problems of the community.” Opening did not open anything In the Alevi workshop, Jaafaris came out with two demands: “[1] Change the structure of the Department of Religious Affairs. There should be chairs for other schools of thought. If there is equitable representation, than the Jaafaris could receive their part from the budget for their religious services. [2] Shiism should be taught properly in schools. The curriculum to be prepared by Jaafaris should be checked by the Ministry of National Education and introduced into the curriculum.” The first request was outright refused. The curriculum request, although accepted, was stalled with bureaucratic excuses. According to Jaafaris, the ministry’s own curriculum on Shiism is incomplete and inaccurate. Kilic thinks the government is not sincere. “The government is not searching for a true solution to the question. It is guided by political considerations and is downplaying the issues. If they had been serious, we could have solved all the problems in a month.” Political marginalization Jaafaris feel they are politically excluded. After eight years of staying out, in 2011 they succeeded in sending one parliamentarian each from the opposition CHP and Nationalist Action Party (MHP). But they have no meaningful position in the AKP. Although the attendance of then-parliamentary speaker Bulent Arinc at Ashura observances in 2007 and Erdogan’s own participation in 2010 had offered important opportunities to eliminate some of the prejudices, marginalization persisted. In 2011, despite an earlier promise, the AKP offered a Jaafari candidate on the Istanbul slate a slot that had no chance of winning in the elections. Jaafaris' rejection by the AKP exceeded that of earlier conservative parties. Kilic said they were not even allowed representation in the municipal council when Erdogan was the mayor of Istanbul. He doesn’t believe that their exclusion will change with the approaching March 30 elections. “Their sources of knowledge about Jaafaris are tainted. After we reacted, nobody called on us. We don’t think they will call. The prime minister is trying to consolidate his constituency, while pursuing a very dangerous policy of categorizing and separating society into segments.” It is a misfortune that Erdogan’s words were uttered at a time when sectarian tensions with the Shiite world of 200 million are escalating. Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/03/erdogan-gulen-jaafaris.html#ixzz2y1xe4RJa

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Turkey bans YouTube after Syria security talk leaked

Turkey bans YouTube after Syria security talk leaked . AFP By Fulya Ozerkan 3 hours ago A view of a computer screen showing a digital portrait of the Turkish Prime Minister and text reading Yes we ban on a laptop computer screen, in front of graffiti in Istanbul, on March 27, 2014 Ankara (AFP) - Turkey banned YouTube on Thursday after the video-sharing website was used to spread damaging leaked audio files from a state security meeting debating possible military action in Syria. Turkey moves to block YouTube but attempt fails Associated Press Turkey vows 'any measures' against Syria threats AFP Turkish court orders lifting of Twitter ban AFP Turkey blocks Twitter after PM's threat to 'wipe out' service AFP Turkish Web Watchdog Blocks Twitter The Wall Street Journal The recording purports to be of senior Turkish government, military and spy officials discussing plans to stage an armed clash in Syria or a missile attack that would serve as a pretext for a military response. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan -- already ensnared in a corruption scandal and hit by recent mass protests ahead of crucial local elections on Sunday -- angrily lashed out at his political opponents for leaking the recording. "They have leaked something on YouTube today," he told a campaign rally in the southeastern province of Diyarbakir. "It was a meeting on our national security. It is a vile, cowardly, immoral act. We will go into their caves. Who are you serving by eavesdropping?" Erdogan did not mention his foe by name, but he has in the past used the "cave" reference for his former ally-turned-nemesis, US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, whose movement has many followers in the Turkish police and judiciary. The premier last week banned Twitter, sparking international condemnation, after the micro-blogging service was used to spread a spate of other audio files implicating Erdogan and his inner circle in corruption. An Ankara court Wednesday overturned that ruling as a limit on free speech. Turkey's telecommunications regulator TIB has 30 days to appeal the decision, and Twitter has yet to be restored, although the ban has been widely circumvented. - YouTube 'national security threat' - Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan speaks during a meeting in Diyarbakir on March 27, 2014 … NATO-member Turkey's European and American allies condemned the YouTube ban. "This is another desperate and depressing move in Turkey," tweeted European Commission Vice President Neelie Kroes. Deputy State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said the US had been "very strongly saying (to Turkish officials) that they need to stop doing this". Thursday's YouTube leak is the first to focus on national security. Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu labelled it "a declaration of war against the Turkish state and nation", while his ministry said some sections had been distorted. TIB said it was blocking YouTube on the grounds of a "primary threat against national security," private NTV television reported. - 'Justification can be fabricated' - The audio recording, which could not be independently verified, features a voice that sounds like that of Turkey's spy chief Hakan Fidan saying: "If needed, we will launch an attack there." The voice also talks about dispatching "four men" and launching missiles, adding: "It is not a problem. A justification can be fabricated." The discussion also focuses on a historic site inside war-torn Syria that is technically part of Turkish national territory under an historic treaty. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) militant group has threatened to attack the site -- a tomb of Suleyman Shah, grandfather of Ottoman Empire founder Osman -- which is located in Aleppo province. Another voice, purportedly of Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioglu, is heard saying that "from the point of legitimacy, the whole world would stand by us in case of an operation against ISIL". Erdogan's parliamentary opponents have in the past accused him of planning military action in Syria to distract voters from his domestic troubles. Main opposition leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu this month warned that Erdogan "could decide to move the army into Syria before the elections" and cautioned the military against it, saying: "Don't send Turkey on an adventure." Davutoglu told AFP on Wednesday that "Turkey is ready to take any legitimate step under international law if its national security, including the area where the tomb of Suleyman Shah is situated, is threatened". In the recording, a voice allegedly belonging to Davutoglu is heard saying: "Between you and me, the prime minister said over the telephone that this (attack) should be used as an opportunity when needed." =================== “I'll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey.” The leaked audiotapes that reveal Turkey’s highest ministers staging an anti-Assad military intervention in Syria, have already caused YouTube to be shut down in the country, as well as leading to fevered accusations of treachery and betrayal of Turkey’s political interests – “a declaration of war,” as Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu put it. ============ YouTube ban: How Turkish officials conspired to stage Syria attack to provoke war Published time: March 28, 2014 12:52 Edited time: March 28, 2014 16:34 Get short URL Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan (AFP Photo / Adem Altan) Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan (AFP Photo / Adem Altan) Share on tumblr Trends Syria-Turkey Tags Al-Qaeda, Arms, Conflict, Opposition, Politics, Scandal “I'll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey.” This leaked conversation is coming back to haunt the highest echelons of the Turkish government as it plans a provocation in Syria, while scrambling to contain social media internally. The leaked audiotapes that reveal Turkey’s highest ministers staging an anti-Assad military intervention in Syria, have already caused YouTube to be shut down in the country, as well as leading to fevered accusations of treachery and betrayal of Turkey’s political interests – “a declaration of war,” as Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu put it. This is of course after intelligence chief Hakan Fidan suggested seizing the opportunity to secure Turkish intervention in the Syrian conflict - a war that has already claimed 140,000 lives, and counting. In the conversation, Davutoğlu is heard saying that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan sees any attack as an "opportunity" to increase troop presence in Syria, where it has staunchly supported the anti-Assad rebels. Below is a transcript of that conversation in full. The video can be found below. Ahmet Davutoğlu: "Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us." Hakan Fidan: "I'll send 4 men from Syria, if that's what it takes. I'll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary." Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey Feridun Sinirlioğlu: "Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit." Yaşar Güler: "It's a direct cause of war. I mean, what're going to do is a direct cause of war." -------- FIRST SCREEN: Ahmet Davutoğlu: I couldn't entirely understand the other thing; what exactly does our foreign ministry supposed to do? No, I'm not talking about the thing. There are other things we're supposed to do. If we decide on this, we are to notify the United Nations, the Istanbul Consulate of the Syrian regime, right? Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don't know what we're going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don't think it'd be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand. Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand. Ahmet Davutoğlu: OK, but we're gonna have to prepare somehow. To avoid any shorts on regarding international law. I just realised when I was talking to the president (Abdullah Gül), if the Turkish tanks go in there, it means we're in there in any case, right? Yaşar Güler: It means we're in, yes. Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yeah, but there's a difference between going in with aircraft and going in with tanks... SECOND SCREEN: Yaşar Güler: Maybe we can tell the Syrian consulate general that, ISIL is currently working alongside the regime, and that place is Turkish land. We should definitely... Ahmet Davutoğlu: But we have already said that, sent them several diplomatic notes. Yaşar Güler: To Syria... Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That's right. Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yes, we've sent them countless times. Therefore, I'd like to know what our Chief of Staff's expects from our ministry. Yaşar Güler: Maybe his intent was to say that, I don't really know, he met with Mr. Fidan. Hakan Fidan: Well, he did mention that part but we didn't go into any further details. Yaşar Güler: Maybe that was what he meant... A diplomatic note to Syria? Hakan Fidan: Maybe the Foreign Ministry is assigned with coordination... Residents of Syria's besieged Yarmuk Palestinian refugee camp, south of Damascus, stand amidst debris as they wait to receive food parcels on March 24, 2014. (AFP Photo / Rami Al-Sayed) Residents of Syria's besieged Yarmuk Palestinian refugee camp, south of Damascus, stand amidst debris as they wait to receive food parcels on March 24, 2014. (AFP Photo / Rami Al-Sayed) THIRD SCREEN: Ahmet Davutoğlu: I mean, I could coordinate the diplomacy but civil war, the military... Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That's what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We're going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there's no distress there if it's a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that's a matter of protecting our land. Yaşar Güler: We don't have any problems with that. Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, it'll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control... Feridun Sinirlioğlu:I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago... Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels. We need to speak with the minister. Our Interior Minister, our Defense Minister. We need to talk about this and reach a resolution sir. Ahmet Davutoğlu: How did we get special forces into action when there was a threat in Northern Iraq? We should have done so in there, too. We should have trained those men. We should have sent men. Anyway, we can't do that, we can only do what diplomacy... Ahmet Davutoğlu: How did we get special forces into action when there was a threat in Northern Iraq? We should have done so in there, too. We should have trained those men. We should have sent men. Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I told you back then, for God's sake, General, you know how we managed to get those tanks in, you were there. Yaşar Güler: What, you mean our stuff? Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Yes, how do you think we've managed to rally our tanks into Iraq? How? How did we manage to get special forces, the battalions in? I was involved in that. Let me be clear, there was no government decision on that, we have managed that just with a single order. FOURTH SCREEN: Yaşar Güler: Well, I agree with you. For one thing, we're not even discussing that. But there are different things that Syria can do right now. Ahmet Davutoğlu: General, the reason we're saying no to this operation is because we know about the capacity of those men. Yaşar Güler: Look, sir, isn't MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) at minister's bidding? Sir, I mean, Qatar is looking for ammo to buy in cash. Ready cash. So, why don't they just get it done? It's at Mr. Minister's command. Ahmet Davutoğlu: But there's the spot we can't act integratedly, we can't coordinate. Yaşar Güler: Then, our Prime Minister can summon both Mr. Defence Minister and Mr. Minister at the same time. Then he can directly talk to them. Ahmet Davutoğlu: We, Mr. Siniroğlu and I, have literally begged Mr. Prime Minster for a private meeting, we said that things were not looking so bright. Turkish Foreign Affairs minister Ahmet Davutoglu (AFP Photo / Adem Altan) Turkish Foreign Affairs minister Ahmet Davutoglu (AFP Photo / Adem Altan) FIFTH SCREEN: Yaşar Güler: Also, it doesn't have to be a crowded meeting. Yourself, Mr. Defence Minister, Mr. Interior Minister and our Chief of Staff, the four of you are enough. There's no need for a crowd. Because, sir, the main need there is guns and ammo. Not even guns, mainly ammo. We've just talked about this, sir. Let's say we're building an army down there, 1000 strong. If we get them into that war without previously storing a minimum of 6-months' worth of ammo, these men will return to us after two months. Ahmet Davutoğlu: They're back already. Yaşar Güler: They'll return to us, sir. Ahmet Davutoğlu: They've came back from... What was it? Çobanbey. Yaşar Güler: Yes, indeed, sir. This matter can't be just a burden on Mr. Fidan's shoulders as it is now. It's unacceptable. I mean, we can't understand this. Why? SIXTH SCREEN: Ahmet Davutoğlu: That evening we'd reached a resolution. And I thought that things were taking a turn for the good. Our... Feridun Sinirlioğlu: We issued the MGK (National Security Council) resolution the day after. Then we talked with the general... Ahmet Davutoğlu: And the other forces really do a good follow up on this weakness of ours. You say that you're going to capture this place, and that men being there constitutes a risk factor. You pull them back. You capture the place. You reinforce it and send in your troops again. Yaşar Güler: Exactly, sir. You're absolutely right. Ahmet Davutoğlu: Right? That's how I interpret it. But after the evacuation, this is not a military necessity. It's a whole other thing. SEVENTH SCREEN Feridun Siniroğlu: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed... We're headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organisations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organisations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate... As the general just said... Yaşar Güler: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a "tool" necessary for you in every turn. Ahmet Davutoğlu: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can't stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power. Civilians inspect a site hit by what activists said were barrel bombs dropped by forces loyal to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad in Karam Homad district in Aleppo March 26, 2014. (Reuters / Mahmoud Hebbo) Civilians inspect a site hit by what activists said were barrel bombs dropped by forces loyal to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad in Karam Homad district in Aleppo March 26, 2014. (Reuters / Mahmoud Hebbo) EIGTH SCREEN Yaşar Güler: Sir. Feridun Sinirlioğlu: The national security has been politicised. I don't remember anything like this in Turkish political history. It has become a matter of domestic policy. All talks we've done on defending our lands, our border security, our sovereign lands in there, they've all become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit. Yaşar Güler: Exactly. Feridun Siniroğlu: That has never happened before. Unfortunately but... Yaşar Güler: I mean, do even one of the opposition parties support you in such a high point of national security? Sir, is this a justifiable sense of national security? Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I don't even remember such a period. NINTH SCREEN: Yaşar Güler: In what matter can we be unified, if not a matter of national security of such importance? None. Ahmet Davutoğlu: The year 2012, we didn't do it 2011. If only we'd took serious action back then, even in the summer of 2012. Feridun Sinirlioğlu: They were at their lowest back in 2012. Ahmet Davutoğlu: Internally, they were just like Libya. Who comes in and goes from power is not of any importance to us. But some things... Yaşar Güler: Sir, to avoid any confusion, our need in 2011 was guns and ammo. In 2012, 2013 and today also. We're in the exact same point. We absolutely need to find this and secure that place. Ahmet Davutoğlu: Guns and ammo are not a big need for that place. Because we couldn't get the human factor in order... ===================